{"id":8356,"date":"2020-06-20T01:27:42","date_gmt":"2020-06-20T06:27:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ask-a-muslim.com\/?p=8356"},"modified":"2020-07-26T11:03:30","modified_gmt":"2020-07-26T16:03:30","slug":"wer-ist-der-schoepfer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ask-a-muslim.com\/de\/wer-ist-der-schoepfer\/","title":{"rendered":"Wer ist der Sch\u00f6pfer?"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Can it be matter?<\/span><\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">A very well known question among atheists is: &#8218;Assuming that the existence of temporal things would need an eternal reason, why should it be the god of religion? <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Why can&#8217;t matter be eternal and therefore no need for an eternal creator? \u00b4 I could argue on an Islamic and at the same time reasonable basis that the property of eternity includes other properties that matter does not have and cannot have and in view of this fact it can do not play the role of the original and ultimate reason of temporal things. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Muslim theologians say that the eternity of existence, from logic, implies eternal permanence. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">This is true, because if something is eternal, it is dependent on nothing outside of itself for its existence. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">If so, it can never go away <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">because only those things go away that have lost some of their external conditions for their existence. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">If the ultimate reason for temporal things is eternal and everlasting, it must be enough for itself, qayyum and ghanie [in Arabic].<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Can there be more than one such creator? <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">The Quran tells us that this is not possible. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">&#8222;God has not taken a son, and there is no God with Him, otherwise every God would have gone away with what he created and some of them would have exalted themselves above others &#8230;&#8220; (Quran 23:91 ) <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">This argument from the Quran has been interpreted by some Muslim theologians as follows. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">The assumption that there are deities next to the one true God leads to false consequences and must therefore be wrong. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">If there was more than one god, then: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">(a) If every detail of every thing in the world was the result of one God&#8217;s act, then it cannot be the result of another God&#8217;s act. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">If but<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">(b) If some things in the world were created by some gods and others by other gods, then each god would rule independently of what he created, which means that nothing in his world could not be influenced by anything from outside in principle. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">And if this were possible, then <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">(c) some gods would overwhelm the others, but if this happened, those who were defeated could not be true gods. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Therefore, there cannot be more than one creator.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">How does this creator create? <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Since He is self-sufficient, it cannot be said that He would depend on anything from outside in any of His deeds, and therefore it cannot be said that He produces His effects naturally. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">But if He has no natural cause, He must be a volitional agent. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">And since an intention implies knowledge and knowledge and intention imply life, He must be a living being. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Since He is an eternal and constant being, all His properties must reflect this quality, so He must not only be knowing, but all-knowing, not only powerful, but all-powerful. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Etc.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Since no matter no matter in what form these properties have to offer and since all these properties are implied by the two properties of eternity and permanence, no form of matter can ever play the role of the ultimate reason. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">So far as to the properties that its eternal and everlasting creator must be enough to show that it cannot be matter, I suspect. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">But this conclusion can be confirmed by what modern science tells us about the nature of matter. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<h4>\n<span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Why should He be the god of Islam?<\/span><\/span><\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Some might say: &#8218;Let&#8217;s assume that this God is a personal and living God and that He has the qualities you mentioned, why should it be the God of Islam and not, let&#8217;s say, the God of Christians or the Jews? &#8218; <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">The God of Islam is the God of all true prophets of God from Adam to Moses, Jesus to Muhammad. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">But it is a basic claim of religion with which Muhammad came that all previous religions (including Christianity and Judaism), which their prophets represented, have not been preserved in their original form, but have been distorted and distorted. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">The only religion whose book has been saved from any such changes is the religion of the last prophet of God, Muhammad, God&#8217;s blessings and peace be upon him. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">That does not mean, <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">that everything about these religions is wrong or bad. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">No! <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">A lot of them are good and true; <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">only the elements on them that contradict Islam must be wrong or bad. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">But even if they were cleaned of everything that contradicts Islam, they would still be less perfect than Islam, especially in their views of God, so they are unsuitable as universal religions.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Having said this, let me give you an example of non-Islamic religious beliefs that the Quran considers blasphemy: that God has children. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">At the time of the Prophet, some Arabs believed that the angels were the daughters of God, while some Christians believed that Jesus was the son of God and some Jews believed that Ezra was the son of God. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Just as the Quran provides arguments for the impossibility that there could be more gods besides God, it also provides arguments that show the impossibility of having children, male or female. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">If the Creator is one and self sufficient, then He is unique, ahad. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">&#8222;&#8230; there is nothing like it &#8230;&#8220; (Quran 42:11) <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">But if it is, then: <\/span><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">&#8222;He never was and never is fathered.&#8220; <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">(Quran 112: 3)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">&#8222;&#8230; how does He have a son and He has no companion and He has created everything and He knows everything?&#8220; <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">(Quran 6: 101) <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">The Quran says here that the claim that God has children contradicts the facts (who recognize those who make this claim), that He is the creator of everything, that He is self-sufficient and that He has no wife. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">Now, if He is the creator of everything, it necessarily includes the one who is said to be His child. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">But if it was created by Him, it cannot be His child; <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">it must be one of His creations. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">You don&#8217;t create your own child; <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">one creates it. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">If it is insisted that this child was actually conceived and not created by God, this would have the following dire consequences:.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">The fathered child must be of the same kind as his father, in which case God would not be unique and not one. <\/span><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">God would not be the creator of everything. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">God should have a wife who, of course, should be of the same kind as he, otherwise they could not produce anything. <\/span><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">But as for the number of beings that should be of the same kind as God, it would be increased to three. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">If this child were conceived, it could not be eternal, etc. So it could not be of the same kind as the father.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">It must therefore be temporal; <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">but in this case it must have a creator. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">But if the God who is his father cannot be his creator at the same time, then there must still be his creator, someone other than God the father; <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">but in this case this other creator can be the real creator, because by his power the first one was able to father his son. <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">This would increase the number of gods to four. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">No wonder the Quran says about those who claim that God has a child: <\/span><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\"><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">\u201cYou have already brought about a monstrous thing, the skies are almost falling apart, and the earth is splitting, and the rocky mountains are falling into ruins they claim a son for the merciful. \u201d <\/span><span style=\"vertical-align: inherit;\">(Quran 19: 89-91)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Source: https:\/\/www.islamland.com\/deu\/articles\/wer-ist-der-schpfer<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Can it be matter? A very well known question among atheists is: &#8218;Assuming that the existence of temporal things would need an eternal reason, why should it be the god of religion? Why can&#8217;t matter be eternal and therefore no need for an eternal creator? \u00b4 I could argue on an Islamic and at the &#8230; <a title=\"Wer ist der Sch\u00f6pfer?\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ask-a-muslim.com\/de\/wer-ist-der-schoepfer\/\" aria-label=\"Mehr Informationen \u00fcber Wer ist der Sch\u00f6pfer?\">Weiterlesen<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[190],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8356","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-die-existenz-gottes"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","uagb_featured_image_src":{"full":false,"thumbnail":false,"medium":false,"medium_large":false,"large":false,"1536x1536":false,"2048x2048":false,"gform-image-choice-sm":false,"gform-image-choice-md":false,"gform-image-choice-lg":false},"uagb_author_info":{"display_name":"Site Admin","author_link":"https:\/\/www.ask-a-muslim.com\/de\/author\/admin2\/"},"uagb_comment_info":0,"uagb_excerpt":"Can it be matter? 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